[sustran] Second Master Plan for Chennai. - request for comments

[Sujit Patwardhan]

I agree with Setty and was surprised to see Jonathan's language...was
looking for evidence of it all being said in a lighter vein but failed to
see any. As an NGO working for sustainable Transportation (and indeed
sustainable development) I feel pessimism is the best way to encourage
"business as usual" attitude, and pessimism is what comes across from
Jonathan's message which surprised me as my exchanges with him on Email some
time back were very enlightening for me.
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Sujit Patwardhan
Parisar/ PTTF
Pune, India








On 4/16/07, Pendakur < pendakur at interchange.ubc.ca> wrote:
>
> I wish Dr. Richmond would list his favorite cities and tell us the
> attributes which make them great.  Also, before we characterize any city,
> with serious problems, as a "disgusting dump", I would suggest that Dr.
> Richmond look up the meaning of his attributes and then evaluate, from a
> planning perspective, what he would suggest to improve Chennai.
>
> His diatribe below is neither positive nor should it belong in a sober
> discussion among professionals.  SUSTRAN network is meant for professional
>
> discussion, promoting learning and exchange of ideas and knowledge.
>
>
> Cheers.
>
> Setty
> Dr. V. Setty Pendakur
> Professor Emeritus, University of BC
> Honorary Professor, China National Academy of Sciences;
> Director, ITDP (NY) & Secretary, ABE90-TRB
>
> President, Pacific Policy and Planning Associates
> 702- 1099 Marinaside Cresecent, Vancouver, BC
> Canada V6Z 2Z3
> 604-263-3576; Fax: 604-263-6493
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sustran-discuss-bounces+pendakur=interchange.ubc.ca at list.jca.apc.org
> [mailto:sustran-discuss-bounces+pendakur=interchange.ubc.ca at list.jca.apc.org
> ] On Behalf Of Jonathan E. D. Richmond
> Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2007 10:44 AM
> To: Eric Britton; Global 'South' Sustainable Transport
> Subject: [sustran] Re: Second Master Plan for Chennai. - request for
> comments
>
>
> I am in Chennai right now. I would be amazed if anything close to planning
> were ever to be possible here.
>
> The city is a disgusting dump -- in fact, the whole place appears to be
> one big public urinal as far as I can see! The city cannot even plan
> public toilets: the few that exist are so sickening that people piss on
> the outsides of them as well as in the street everywhere.
>
> Almost everything in this city is a mass of unplanned ugliness. I don't
> know if there is a city bus system, as no information is available (as is
> usual in Indian cities, nothing is done for the consumer). There is a
> small rail system, served by filthy trains whose doors stay open at all
> times. I got off one such train last night to be landed in a deserted
> station with no information and filled with people sleeping rough in
> the middle of piles of garbage: the smell was so bad that I could hardly
> walk to the main road to have the opportunity of being ripped off by one
> of the many rickshaw wallahs who refuse to use their meters.
>
> So, how does one plan in this environment?
>
> My answer is that there is no point in planning at all, because the plans
> will not come to reality until institutions have changed. The existing
> house must be put in order before anything new can be realized -- and that
> is a very hard job amidst the mismanagement, corruption, and dirt that
> constitutes Chennai today.
>
>                                 --Jonathan
>
> -----
> Jonathan Richmond
>
> 1 (617) 395-4360
>
> e-mail: richmond at alum.mit.edu
> http://the-tech.mit.edu/~richmond/ <http://the-tech.mit.edu/%7Erichmond/>
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Sujit Patwardhan
sujit at vsnl.com
sujitjp at gmail.com

"Yamuna",
ICS Colony,
Ganeshkhind Road,
Pune 411 007
India
Tel: 25537955
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Hon. Secretary:
Parisar
www.parisar.org
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Founder Member:
PTTF
(Pune Traffic & Transportation Forum)
www.pttf.net
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