[sustran] Re: Final comment on MCs

[Daryl Oster]

The sustainable way to displace MCs from the market is to offer modes with
greater transportation value.

Daryl Oster
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: sustran-discuss-bounces+et3=et3.com at list.jca.apc.org
> [mailto:sustran-discuss-bounces+et3=et3.com at list.jca.apc.org] On Behalf Of
> Pendakur
> Sent: Monday, May 22, 2006 5:56 PM
> To: Eric Bruun; Asia and the Pacific sustainable transport
> Subject: [sustran] Re: Final comment on MCs
> 
> Yes, people break the law, car drivers, mcycle drivers and also
> pedestrians
> and cyclists.  But that does not give the right to governments to ban one
> or
> all of thegroups from any location and decrease their mobility and
> increase
> their costs.  We need to be creative to produce solutions which convert
> our
> present urban structure into safe precincts for every one.  Those of us
> who
> have worked in Asia know that mcycles are family vehicles and they are
> actually the cars of the middle income people.
> 
> The issues are complex and I have yet to see a simple and universal
> solution.  Whatever environmental rules we wish to abide by, they should
> be
> non-discriminant.
> 
> Cheers from Vancouver.  Setty.
> 
> Dr. V. Setty Pendakur
> Professor Emeritus, University of British Columbia
> Honorary Professor, China National Academy of Sciences
> Secretary,TRB-ABE90 and Director, ITDP
> 
> President, Pacific Policy and Planning Associates
> 702-1099 Marinaside Crescent
> Vancouver, BC, Canada  V6Z 2Z3
> Phone: 1-604-263-3576, Fax: 1-604-263-6493
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Eric Bruun" <ericbruun at earthlink.net>
> To: "Asia and the Pacific sustainable transport"
> <sustran-discuss at list.jca.apc.org>; "Asia and the Pacific sustainable
> transport" <sustran-discuss at list.jca.apc.org>
> Sent: Monday, May 22, 2006 1:08 PM
> Subject: [sustran] Final comment on MCs
> 
> 
> >
> > Todd
> >
> > Don't put words in people's mouths. No one said that riders have the
> right
> > to break the law.
> > I can't speak for others, but my point was that people want to be mobile
> > and it would
> > be very hard to convince them that they can't be when others are driving
> > around in cars and
> > they are stranded.
> >
> > Eric Bruun
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> >>From: Todd Edelman <edelman at greenidea.info>
> >>Sent: May 22, 2006 3:53 PM
> >>To: Asia and the Pacific sustainable transport
> >><sustran-discuss at list.jca.apc.org>
> >>Subject: [sustran] Re: EU laws to put brake on bikers(motorcyclists) BUT
> >>BUT BUT
> >>
> >>KT wrote:
> >>>
> >>> I don&#65533;t blame people who buy motorcycles at all. In fact it is
> >>indeed "the
> >>> national governments" and other institutions like that you mention I
> put
> >>> the blame on, even for motorcycles aggressiveness, because this
> >>> aggressiveness is instigated by the attitude of the authorities... It
> is
> >>> > actually a crime,and some from the administration should
> >>> have been put on trial for what they have done (and still do) to the
> >>> city
> >>> and its people, but...you know, even more serious crimes are left
> >>> unpunished these days. And the greek "justice" is notoriously corrupt
> >>> and
> >>> dependent to them for doing anything.
> >>
> >>WAIT, hold on ! - dont people have some personal responsiblity? Even if
> >>people have no other option (?) than riding a motorcycle they do have
> the
> >>choice to ride carefully, dont they?
> >>
> >>- T
> >>
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> >>
> >>Todd Edelman
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> >>
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> > equitable and sustainable transport with a focus on developing countries
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> 
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> SUSTRAN-DISCUSS is a forum devoted to discussion of people-centred,
> equitable and sustainable transport with a focus on developing countries
> (the 'Global South'). Because of the history of the list, the main focus
> is on urban transport policy in Asia.