[sustran] Re: Final comment on MCs

[Pendakur]

Yes, people break the law, car drivers, mcycle drivers and also pedestrians 
and cyclists.  But that does not give the right to governments to ban one or 
all of thegroups from any location and decrease their mobility and increase 
their costs.  We need to be creative to produce solutions which convert our 
present urban structure into safe precincts for every one.  Those of us who 
have worked in Asia know that mcycles are family vehicles and they are 
actually the cars of the middle income people.

The issues are complex and I have yet to see a simple and universal 
solution.  Whatever environmental rules we wish to abide by, they should be 
non-discriminant.

Cheers from Vancouver.  Setty.

Dr. V. Setty Pendakur
Professor Emeritus, University of British Columbia
Honorary Professor, China National Academy of Sciences
Secretary,TRB-ABE90 and Director, ITDP

President, Pacific Policy and Planning Associates
702-1099 Marinaside Crescent
Vancouver, BC, Canada  V6Z 2Z3
Phone: 1-604-263-3576, Fax: 1-604-263-6493
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Eric Bruun" <ericbruun at earthlink.net>
To: "Asia and the Pacific sustainable transport" 
<sustran-discuss at list.jca.apc.org>; "Asia and the Pacific sustainable 
transport" <sustran-discuss at list.jca.apc.org>
Sent: Monday, May 22, 2006 1:08 PM
Subject: [sustran] Final comment on MCs


>
> Todd
>
> Don't put words in people's mouths. No one said that riders have the right 
> to break the law.
> I can't speak for others, but my point was that people want to be mobile 
> and it would
> be very hard to convince them that they can't be when others are driving 
> around in cars and
> they are stranded.
>
> Eric Bruun
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
>>From: Todd Edelman <edelman at greenidea.info>
>>Sent: May 22, 2006 3:53 PM
>>To: Asia and the Pacific sustainable transport 
>><sustran-discuss at list.jca.apc.org>
>>Subject: [sustran] Re: EU laws to put brake on bikers(motorcyclists) BUT 
>>BUT BUT
>>
>>KT wrote:
>>>
>>> I don&#65533;t blame people who buy motorcycles at all. In fact it is
>>indeed "the
>>> national governments" and other institutions like that you mention I put
>>> the blame on, even for motorcycles aggressiveness, because this
>>> aggressiveness is instigated by the attitude of the authorities... It is
>>> > actually a crime,and some from the administration should
>>> have been put on trial for what they have done (and still do) to the 
>>> city
>>> and its people, but...you know, even more serious crimes are left
>>> unpunished these days. And the greek "justice" is notoriously corrupt 
>>> and
>>> dependent to them for doing anything.
>>
>>WAIT, hold on ! - dont people have some personal responsiblity? Even if
>>people have no other option (?) than riding a motorcycle they do have the
>>choice to ride carefully, dont they?
>>
>>- T
>>
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>>
>>Todd Edelman
>>International Coordinator
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> SUSTRAN-DISCUSS is a forum devoted to discussion of people-centred, 
> equitable and sustainable transport with a focus on developing countries 
> (the 'Global South'). Because of the history of the list, the main focus 
> is on urban transport policy in Asia.