[sustran] Re: [sustran-discuss] Digest Number 981
Anjali Mahendra
anjalim at MIT.EDU
Sat Mar 18 06:35:59 JST 2006
{Re: Sujit Patwardhan's email: "It also means TDM measures so that people
are encouraged to shift to public transport and made to pay more realistic
costs if they want to persist using personal vehicles. As far as I'm aware,
this is not on the city's agenda at the moment."}
On the topic of TDM for Bangalore, here's a recent article from the Hindu:
http://www.hindu.com/2006/01/12/stories/2006011222730300.htm
This article gets more specific about the Bangalore Traffic Police's plans
to introduce some form of congestion pricing by 2010.
http://floss.sarai.net/newsrack/DisplayNewsItem.do;jsessionid=aritXJapRYQ6?n
i=10.2.2006%2Fnie.crawler%2Fni250.NewsItems.asp_ID%3DIE120060209231023
And in the Times of India:
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/msid-1441861,curpg-1.cms
This is of course just the tip of the iceberg and who knows what the full
proposal will play out to be. But do people think this is workable in
Bangalore, with autorickshaws, bicycles, and two-wheelers forming a much
larger proportion of the traffic than cars?
-Anjali
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Subject: [sustran-discuss] Digest Number 981
There are 3 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. [sustran] Sustran-discuss Digest, Vol 31, Issue 11
From: Sunny <sksunny at gmail.com>
2. [sustran] Re: Sustran-discuss Digest, Vol 31, Issue 11
From: "Guevarra, Joselito Lomada" <cvegjl at nus.edu.sg>
3. [sustran] Re: Sustran-discuss Digest, Vol 31, Issue 11
From: "Dibu Sengupta" <dsengupta at gmail.com>
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Message: 1
Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 13:02:14 +0700
From: Sunny <sksunny at gmail.com>
Subject: [sustran] Sustran-discuss Digest, Vol 31, Issue 11
In my opinion spending money on cars will not denote the prosperity of
the city or people. Nowadays a car in India can be owned not only by
full payment but also in instalments which is providing a scope for
the middle class to enjoy the benefits of the car. On the other hand the
emissions they produce and their paradigm shift in commutation deprives
the poor of their native means of transport i.e. the public transport or
the non-motorised means. For example in countries like Singapore, Hong
Kong are supposed to be richer than their neighbours in Asia have a very
less private mobility and the users are charged for their utilisation.
Japan, which makes most of the cars, has the highest walking ratio of
41%. And even in Germany which is also a big car market has good
facility for walking and excellent and accessible public transport.
Looking at Public Transportation, I feel that just investing in Public
transport and buying Mercedes or Volvo buses will not solve the problem
but the accessibility to the whole transit system in both terms economy
(ticket prices) and physical and social (nearness, frequency and option
for vulnerable groups) will be the key for a public transport success.
If Bangalore can reduce the speed of cars and make the buses faster and
efficient and accessible, in Litmans words "Efficiency and Equity", the
transit will be a success and Bangalore can retain its fame of being the
"Garden City" otherwise I am sure if no action is taken, from personal
inspection in BKK, it is going to become a "Garage City".
Sincerely,
Sunny
Santhosh Kumar. K
Faculty of Environment and Resource Studies,
Mahidol University,
Thailand
sksunny at gmail.com
sunnysanthosh at gmail.com
sustran-discuss-request at list.jca.apc.org wrote:
> Why are you appalled? You should celebrate that the people have money to
spend!!
>
> What are you doing in Bangalore?
>
> Cheers. setty.
>
> Dr. V. Setty Pendakur
> Professor Emeritus, University of British Columbia
> Honorary Professor, China National Academy of Sciences
> Chair, TRB-ABE90 & Director, ITDP
>
> President
> Pacific Policy and Planning Associates
> 702--1099 Marinaside Crescent
> Vancouver, BC, Canada V6Z 2Z3
> Phone: 604-263-3576; Fax:604-263-6493
>
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Message: 2
Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 17:18:12 +0800
From: "Guevarra, Joselito Lomada" <cvegjl at nus.edu.sg>
Subject: [sustran] Re: Sustran-discuss Digest, Vol 31, Issue 11
You are absolutely right. A lot of cars running on the street does not
necessarily equate to prosperity in a particular country. Rather, it is
a symptom of larger malaise in which people cannot depend, or will not
depend, on public transport to take them to where they want to go. For
example, in the Philippines, the dream is to own a car because of the
sorry state of public transport and the pollution that go with it. It is
not uncommon for a middle class family of, say 5, to own 5 cars or maybe
more (to circumvent the so-called color coding where certain plate
numbers are banned on certain days)! Owning a car is not a luxury
anymore but a necessity...in this case anyway...
Cheers,
Joselito L. Guevarra
Research Engineer
-----Original Message-----
From: sustran-discuss-bounces+cvegjl=nus.edu.sg at list.jca.apc.org
[mailto:sustran-discuss-bounces+cvegjl=nus.edu.sg at list.jca.apc.org] On
Behalf Of Sunny
Sent: Friday, March 17, 2006 2:02 PM
To: sustran-discuss at list.jca.apc.org
Subject: [sustran] Sustran-discuss Digest, Vol 31, Issue 11
In my opinion spending money on cars will not denote the prosperity of
the city or people. Nowadays a car in India can be owned not only by
full payment but also in instalments which is providing a scope for
the middle class to enjoy the benefits of the car. On the other hand the
emissions they produce and their paradigm shift in commutation deprives
the poor of their native means of transport i.e. the public transport or
the non-motorised means. For example in countries like Singapore, Hong
Kong are supposed to be richer than their neighbours in Asia have a very
less private mobility and the users are charged for their utilisation.
Japan, which makes most of the cars, has the highest walking ratio of
41%. And even in Germany which is also a big car market has good
facility for walking and excellent and accessible public transport.
Looking at Public Transportation, I feel that just investing in Public
transport and buying Mercedes or Volvo buses will not solve the problem
but the accessibility to the whole transit system in both terms economy
(ticket prices) and physical and social (nearness, frequency and option
for vulnerable groups) will be the key for a public transport success.
If Bangalore can reduce the speed of cars and make the buses faster and
efficient and accessible, in Litmans words "Efficiency and Equity", the
transit will be a success and Bangalore can retain its fame of being the
"Garden City" otherwise I am sure if no action is taken, from personal
inspection in BKK, it is going to become a "Garage City".
Sincerely,
Sunny
Santhosh Kumar. K
Faculty of Environment and Resource Studies,
Mahidol University,
Thailand
sksunny at gmail.com
sunnysanthosh at gmail.com
sustran-discuss-request at list.jca.apc.org wrote:
> Why are you appalled? You should celebrate that the people have money
to spend!!
>
> What are you doing in Bangalore?
>
> Cheers. setty.
>
> Dr. V. Setty Pendakur
> Professor Emeritus, University of British Columbia
> Honorary Professor, China National Academy of Sciences
> Chair, TRB-ABE90 & Director, ITDP
>
> President
> Pacific Policy and Planning Associates
> 702--1099 Marinaside Crescent
> Vancouver, BC, Canada V6Z 2Z3
> Phone: 604-263-3576; Fax:604-263-6493
>
================================================================
SUSTRAN-DISCUSS is a forum devoted to discussion of people-centred,
equitable and sustainable transport with a focus on developing countries
(the 'Global South'). Because of the history of the list, the main focus
is on urban transport policy in Asia.
================================================================
SUSTRAN-DISCUSS is a forum devoted to discussion of people-centred,
equitable and sustainable transport with a focus on developing countries
(the 'Global South'). Because of the history of the list, the main focus is
on urban transport policy in Asia.
________________________________________________________________________
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Message: 3
Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2006 10:19:35 -0500
From: "Dibu Sengupta" <dsengupta at gmail.com>
Subject: [sustran] Re: Sustran-discuss Digest, Vol 31, Issue 11
And this malaise is spreading fast, not just in Bangalore or Pune but in the
smaller towns as well. Foreign companies introducing new brands of cars,
giving off low interest payments and people making a beeline for a new
symbol of social status.
That's where transit authorities and the local jurisdictions come to the
picture. Utilization charges mentioned by Sunny are probably the best way to
tackle this automobile explosion!
Regards,
Dibu Sengupta
Transportation Engineer
VHB, Inc.
On 3/17/06, Guevarra, Joselito Lomada <cvegjl at nus.edu.sg> wrote:
>
> You are absolutely right. A lot of cars running on the street does not
> necessarily equate to prosperity in a particular country. Rather, it is
> a symptom of larger malaise in which people cannot depend, or will not
> depend, on public transport to take them to where they want to go. For
> example, in the Philippines, the dream is to own a car because of the
> sorry state of public transport and the pollution that go with it. It is
> not uncommon for a middle class family of, say 5, to own 5 cars or maybe
> more (to circumvent the so-called color coding where certain plate
> numbers are banned on certain days)! Owning a car is not a luxury
> anymore but a necessity...in this case anyway...
>
> Cheers,
>
> Joselito L. Guevarra
> Research Engineer
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sustran-discuss-bounces+cvegjl=nus.edu.sg at list.jca.apc.org
> [mailto:sustran-discuss-bounces+cvegjl=nus.edu.sg at list.jca.apc.org] On
> Behalf Of Sunny
> Sent: Friday, March 17, 2006 2:02 PM
> To: sustran-discuss at list.jca.apc.org
> Subject: [sustran] Sustran-discuss Digest, Vol 31, Issue 11
>
> In my opinion spending money on cars will not denote the prosperity of
> the city or people. Nowadays a car in India can be owned not only by
> full payment but also in instalments which is providing a scope for
> the middle class to enjoy the benefits of the car. On the other hand the
>
> emissions they produce and their paradigm shift in commutation deprives
> the poor of their native means of transport i.e. the public transport or
>
> the non-motorised means. For example in countries like Singapore, Hong
> Kong are supposed to be richer than their neighbours in Asia have a very
>
> less private mobility and the users are charged for their utilisation.
> Japan, which makes most of the cars, has the highest walking ratio of
> 41%. And even in Germany which is also a big car market has good
> facility for walking and excellent and accessible public transport.
>
> Looking at Public Transportation, I feel that just investing in Public
> transport and buying Mercedes or Volvo buses will not solve the problem
> but the accessibility to the whole transit system in both terms economy
> (ticket prices) and physical and social (nearness, frequency and option
> for vulnerable groups) will be the key for a public transport success.
> If Bangalore can reduce the speed of cars and make the buses faster and
> efficient and accessible, in Litmans words "Efficiency and Equity", the
> transit will be a success and Bangalore can retain its fame of being the
>
> "Garden City" otherwise I am sure if no action is taken, from personal
> inspection in BKK, it is going to become a "Garage City".
>
> Sincerely,
> Sunny
>
> Santhosh Kumar. K
> Faculty of Environment and Resource Studies,
> Mahidol University,
> Thailand
> sksunny at gmail.com
> sunnysanthosh at gmail.com
>
> sustran-discuss-request at list.jca.apc.org wrote:
> > Why are you appalled? You should celebrate that the people have money
> to spend!!
> >
> > What are you doing in Bangalore?
> >
> > Cheers. setty.
> >
> > Dr. V. Setty Pendakur
> > Professor Emeritus, University of British Columbia
> > Honorary Professor, China National Academy of Sciences
> > Chair, TRB-ABE90 & Director, ITDP
> >
> > President
> > Pacific Policy and Planning Associates
> > 702--1099 Marinaside Crescent
> > Vancouver, BC, Canada V6Z 2Z3
> > Phone: 604-263-3576; Fax:604-263-6493
> >
>
>
>
> ================================================================
> SUSTRAN-DISCUSS is a forum devoted to discussion of people-centred,
> equitable and sustainable transport with a focus on developing countries
> (the 'Global South'). Because of the history of the list, the main focus
> is on urban transport policy in Asia.
>
>
> ================================================================
> SUSTRAN-DISCUSS is a forum devoted to discussion of people-centred,
> equitable and sustainable transport with a focus on developing countries
> (the 'Global South'). Because of the history of the list, the main focus
is
> on urban transport policy in Asia.
>
----------
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equitable and sustainable transport with a focus on developing countries
(the 'Global South'). Because of the history of the list, the main focus is
on urban transport policy in Asia.
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