[sustran] Re: Sustran-discuss Digest, Vol 31, Issue 11

[joshua odeleye]

But this money ought to be spent for  public good, and
not for the selfish convenience of the few (i.e the
rich),to the detriment of the majority in terms of
increasing rate of road accident, in which pedestrians
are most vulnerable,air and noise pollution,traffic
congestion to mention a few.Public transport is the
only solution to the challenges of urban mobility in
all countries of the world.As experts, we should help
in evoving and developing the culture of
sustainability in transport development across the
globe.
Sincerely,
JOSHUA ODELEYE.
NIGERIAN INSTITUTE OF TRANSPORT TECHNOLOGY,
P.M.B 1148,
ZARIA,NIGERIA.

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>    1. Re: Automobility or Accessibility (V. Setty
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>    2.  Re: Automobility or Accessibility (Lee
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> Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 14:44:21 -0800
> From: "V. Setty Pendakur"
> <pendakur at interchange.ubc.ca>
> Subject: [sustran] Re: Automobility or Accessibility
> To: "Asia and the Pacific sustainable transport"
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> Why are you appalled?  You should celebrate that the
> people have money to spend!!
> 
> What are you doing in Bangalore?
> 
> Cheers.  setty.
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> Dr. V. Setty Pendakur
> Professor Emeritus, University of British Columbia
> Honorary Professor, China National Academy of
> Sciences
> Chair, TRB-ABE90 & Director, ITDP 
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>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: Lee Schipper 
>   To: sustran-discuss at list.jca.apc.org ;
> sujit at vsnl.com 
>   Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2006 12:46 AM
>   Subject: [sustran] Re: Automobility or
> Accessibility
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> 
>   I just arrivedin Bangalore and I was appalled at
> how the number of private vehicles has grown since I
> first started
>   coming here in 2001....
> 
>   >>> sujit at vsnl.com 3/15/2006 12:40:03 AM >>>
>   15 March 2006
> 
> 
>   Today Bangalore city's bus sytem is the most
> efficient, reliable and
>   profitable in the whole country but with the
> number of auto vehicles growing
>   at cancerour rate in the city and auto centric
> infrastructure carried out by
>   the administration (road widening, more roads, and
> flyovers) in the last few
>   years it is unlikely that the pubic transport
> buses will be able to maintain
>   their high performance levels for many more years.
> 
>   This is because infrastructure policies do not
> (yet) recognize that unless
>   the city gives priority to public transport, all
> the expensive investments
>   in roads and flyovers will come to nought. Going
> by the needs of the
>   MAJORITY the city needs better pedestrain
> facilities, cycle tracks and
>   public transport infrastructure which means BUS
> LANES and NOT flyovers. It
>   also means TDM measures so that people are
> encouraged to shift to public
>   transport and made to pay more realistic costs if
> they want to persist using
>   personal vehicles.
> 
>   As far as I'm aware, this is not on the city's
> agenda at the moment. Just
>   buying a few Volvo buses is not going to do much
> for improving the condition
>   of public transport. And now that the city has
> committed itself to the
>   hugely expensive Metro it is difficult to imagine
> where the money will come
>   from for above measures (bus lanes, pedestrian
> facilities and cycle tracks).
> 
>   On 3/15/06, Vittal Kumar A.
> <vittalkumar_a at yahoo.com> wrote:
>   >
>   > Hi,
>   >
>   > I agree with Todd,
>   > Here is an example for initiative to attact such
> segment of commuters.
>   > Bangalore increasingly adding personalized cars
> for office commuting with
>   > reduced road space. Bangalore Metropolitan
> Transport Corporation (BMTC) the
>   > state owned transport corporation introducing
> innovative approaches
>   > for different commuter segments with varied
> costs/services. Refer to the
>   > link
>   >
>   >
>
http://www.thehindu.com/2006/02/18/stories/2006021822070300.htm
> 
>   >
>
http://www.hindu.com/2006/03/05/stories/2006030520370300.htm
> 
>   >
>   > regards,
>   > Vittal
>   >
>   > *Todd Alexander Litman <litman at vtpi.org>* wrote:
>   >
>   >
>   > I think that this reflects fundamental
> differences in how transportation
>   > is defined. In many situations people assume
> that 'transportation' means
>   > motor vehicle travel, and so the best way to
> improve transportation is to
>   > improve roads and parking facilities. But that
> approach incurs huge costs
>   > and reduces other forms of mobility and
> accessibility, if it displaces
>   > public transit and nonmotorized travel, or leads
> to sprawl. The problem that
>   > we face is that transport planners often only
> consider direct, short-term
>   > impacts (improved motor vehicle travel) and
> overlook secondary impacts
>   > (reduced accessibility over the long term), and
> public officials tend to be
>   > among the group that benefits most from
> automobile travel. These issues are
>   > discussed in my paper "Measuring Transportation:
> Traffic, Mobility and
>   > Accessibility" ( http://www.vtpi.org/measure.pdf
> ).
>   >
>   > I think that the best way to counter this is to
> show that expanding urban
>   > roads and parking facilities is very costly, and
> other solutions are better
>   > overall. I think it is important to show that
> public transit can be an elite
>   > service, that can attract wealthy commuters out
> of their cars, if a city
>   > provides a variety of services, from cheap and
> basic to premium and luxury)
>   > and gives public transit and nonmotorized travel
> priority in traffic, land
>   > use, and pricing. This is the only way that
> urban transportation systems can
>   > really work efficiently, and fortunately some of
> the world's greatest cities
>   > (London, Hong Kong, Singapore, Stockholm, Rome)
> are now implementing these
>   > measures, which provides examples that we can
> cite. However, I realize it is
> 
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