[sustran] Re: feeder systems in other cities

Robert Cowherd robert_cowherd at yahoo.com
Wed Feb 18 01:31:51 JST 2004


Lisa,

It is discouraging to see such a well-intended step as the Jakarta
Busway go so terribly wrong so early in its implementation. Governor
Sutiyoso is now calling for a widening of the Jalan Thamrin-Sudirman
Boulevard so as to ease the congestion experienced since the launching
of the Busway by the private automobile drivers (10 percent of trips).
He is suggesting this move (that would eliminate or put at risk the
wonderful trees along this corridor) as if it constitutes a minor
adjustment to the busway plan rather than an admission of dramatic
failure. One of the key goals of the busway, as in Bogata, was to
increase trip volume along this route without road widening.

Indonesia's status as a mobility superpower derives from the ordered
chaos of its multi-modal, overlapping, hyper-entrepreneurial,
para-transit-centered "system". As in housing provision, the Indonesian
government's aspirations for a *formal* system appears to be in
conflict with the reality that *informal* systems have been the only
way to keep pace with the vast scale and dynamic nature of demand.
There should be an awful lot that could be done in the area of easing
transfers from existing modes and capacity expansion for less than the
cost of road widening--perhaps even reducing (or eliminating) fares.

If you have the ear of the good people in Jakarta, I wish you good luck
in helping them identify alternatives to road widening. If you need
help with translation (linguistic or cultural) please let me know. 

Robert Cowherd (15 years researching Indonesia, 5 years in Indonesia) 

--- Alan Howes <Alan.Howes at cbuchanan.co.uk> wrote:
> [Copied to sustran-discuss - sorry sustranners, you will have to dig
> down to the bottom to find out what this is all about!  Apologies for
> duplication.]
> 
> Do I take it then, Stephen, that what very sensibly happens in Ottawa
> ("bus way services fan out at the end the end of the exclusive
> r.o.w.") does not happen in Richmond?  If not, why not?
> 
> Turning to Jakarta, I find it a bit difficult to offer advice to Lisa
> without a bit more background - and I don't know Jakarta.  A lot will
> depend on the characteristics of the busway and the feeder catchment
> areas.  But it will be important to ensure that ticketing and
> publicity are integrated between the busway and the feeders, and it
> may well be more appropriate to use smaller vehicles covering more
> feeder routes.  It would probably be sensible to match the feeder
> headway to the busway headway - but this depends to a certain extent
> on whether traffic conditions are such that the feeders can be
> expected to keep to a timetable.
> 
> Hope this helps.
> Regards, Alan
> 
> -- 
> Alan Howes
> Associate Transport Planner
> Colin Buchanan and Partners
> 
> 4 St Colme Street
> Edinburgh      EH3 6AA
> Scotland
> email:  alan.howes at cbuchanan.co.uk 
> tel:      (0)131 240 2892 (direct)
>            (0)131 226 4693 (switchboard)
>            (0)7952 464335  (mobile)
> fax:     (0)131 220 0232
> www: http:/www.cbuchanan.co.uk/ 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Alan Howes
> Associate Transport Planner
> Colin Buchanan and Partners
> 
> 4 St Colme Street
> Edinburgh      EH3 6AA
> Scotland
> email:  alan.howes at cbuchanan.co.uk
> tel:      (0)131 240 2892 (direct)
>            (0)131 226 4693 (switchboard)
>            (0)7952 464335  (mobile)
> fax:     (0)131 220 0232
> www: http:/www.cbuchanan.co.uk/
> _______________________________
> This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and
> intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they
> are addressed. Unless you are the named addressee, or authorised to
> receive it for the addressee, you may not copy or use it, or disclose
> it to anyone else. If you have received this email in error please
> contact the sender by replying to this email. 
> Any views expressed by an individual within this email which do not
> constitute or record professional advice relating to the business of
> CBP, do not necessarily reflect the views of the company. Any
> professional advice or opinion contained within this email is subject
> to our terms and conditions of business.
> We have taken precautions to minimise the risk of transmitting
> software viruses. We cannot accept liability for any loss or damage
> caused by software viruses.
> _______________________________
> 
> 
> >>> "Rees, Stephen" <stephen_rees at translink.bc.ca> 16/02/04 17:05:59
> >>>
> When BRT came to my neighbourhood (Richmond BC) what had been a
> series of direct suburb to downtown bus routes, became a set of
> feeders to the 98 B (BRT) line. This was based on what had become
> established practice in the region when SkyTrain was opened and
> subsequently extended. Rapid transit provides the line haul and local
> bus service is reorganized to feed the stations. With a fully
> integrated fare system, and purpose built interchanges, this was
> generally accepted - since SkyTrain has a distinct speed advantage
> over buses. The 98 B-Line however, did not have such a clear
> advantage since the exclusive bus only lanes cover only 2 of the 15
> route kilometres - with limited queue jumpers and  signal pre-emption
> elsewhere. Within a very short period of time, direct routes from
> Richmond were re-introduced to give commuters a one seat ride (no
> transfers). These services now run parallel to the B-Line.
> 
> One of the advantages of BRT is that feeder services can use the same
> right of way - as happens in Ottawa. There the bus way services fan
> out at the end the end of the exclusive r.o.w. and also provide
> direct service between centre and suburbs rather than feeders
> requiring a transfer. This of course does not happen with rail based
> systems which require a mode change mid trip.
> 
> The above opinions are my own and may not necessarily reflect those
> of my employer
> 
> Stephen Rees
> Program Manager, Transportation Policy
> Greater Vancouver Transportation Authority (TransLink)
> 1660 - 4720 Kingsway
> Burnaby BC V5H 4N2
> tel: (604)453-4561
> fax: (604)453-4628
> http://www.translink.bc.ca 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Karl Fjellstrom [mailto:karl at dnet.net.id] 
> Sent: Friday, February 13, 2004 7:01 PM
> To: Transit-Prof at yahoogroups.com 
> Cc: Lisa Peterson
> Subject: [Transit-Prof] FW: feeder systems in other cities
> 
> 
> Dear all,
>  
> Can anyone help out with an enquiry on feeders? Lisa Peterson is
> Communications Director of ITDP, a non-profit organisation providing
> technical advice to the govt in Jakarta regarding the new
> TransJakarta
> Busway. It's a closed system BRT with dedicated buses and stations
> (the
> first outside Latin America, to my knowledge), 12.9km long.
>  
> thanks, Karl Fjellstrom
> 
>   _____  
> 
> From: Lisa Peterson <lpeterson at itdp.org  
> Sent: Wednesday, 11 February 2004 2:58 PM
> Subject: feeder systems in other cities
> 
> 
> Dear all, 
>  
> I'd like to prepare some materials about BRT feeder systems for some
> press
> work.
>  
> Do you have any information I could use? 
>  
> What city  - other than Bogota - would be a good example?  Quito, or
> Leon?
>  
> Even general material about how a good feeder system should operate
> would be
> helpful. 
>  
> Thanks in advance.
>  
> Best,
> Lisa
> 

__________________________________
Do you Yahoo!?
Yahoo! Finance: Get your refund fast by filing online.
http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html


More information about the Sustran-discuss mailing list