[sustran] UITP and women's transport needs

[Eric Bruun]

Dear all:

Yet another interesting group is the UITP's committee on the urban public
transport needs of women. It can be found through www.uitp.com.

Eric

----- Original Message -----
From: "Priyanthi Fernando" <p3_22982 at ifrtd.org>
To: "Asia and the Pacific sustainable transport"
<sustran-discuss at list.jca.apc.org>
Sent: Sunday, August 15, 2004 12:33 AM
Subject: [sustran] Re: We have a major problem here,and you can help to set
it right.


> Dear all
>
> I am picking this up in transit - but am very interested that you should
have begun this discussion.  More thoughts about the whys and wherefores
later - but just to let you know also that there is a specific gender and
transport ediscussion list called GATNET, where, I would suspect a majority
of the subscribers are women.  You can join this list and maybe ask these
questions - to join go to www.dgroups.org
>
> More later
>
> Priyanthi Fernando
>
>
>
> --- "Carlos Felipe Pardo V." <pardinus at yahoo.com> wrote:
> I think the topic of gender is interesting. In Bogot we have done research
on why the people who are part of a transport organization are mainly men,
and found really nice things, especially when we saw the specific cases in
which women were managers or drivers of bus companies.
> Thus, the same reflection applied to this group might prove more
interesting. Why is it that women don't participate in these things? Does
someone have any research on women's relationship with the topic of
transport? Is it the same gender-biased question as is "Why don't men like
cutting flowers and smelling them?" I'm willing to do some research on thie
first topic (being a psychologist), want to join me?
>
> Just another thought,
>
> i-ce at cycling.nl wrote:
>
> Dear all,
>
> I understand what Brendan means. I will give you all, as a woman and
> as an "outsider" my point of view.
> I am a woman and urban designer, interested in cycling (and walking).
> The sustran-Discussions seem to me sometimes very personal and
> based on own experiences rather than on broad experience. (Like: I
> once was in the bus in..... and I noticed). Please note that I mentioned
> sometimes ;-)
> I am not a traffic engineer. For me there is much more to life than
> sustainable transport. The Bogota story is about public space. I know
> the BRT system there is a wide success and without a BRT system you
> won't be able to create space for pedestrians and cyclists, but a really
> important part of the model is the importance of public space for
> society.
>
> When you think of adding topic to invite more people: we receive
> already lots of emails when it is only about busses. Maybe it is already
> existing without me noticing it, but what about a website where you can
> place discussion document (it takes more time to prepare, to think and
> the opportunity to leave out offences) and people can react to that.
> These discussions can be one specific topics. The emails are only to let
> everybody know that there is something new and interesting to find
> there about....
>
> Well, that was it for this female urban designer.
>
> Kind regards to all of you.
>
> Danielle Wijnen
>
>
>
>
>
> On 11 Aug 2004 at 13:22, Brendan Finn wrote:
>
> >
> > Dear Kisan and Eric,
> >
> > I think Kisan's points are interesting.
> >
> > I would also add that style and tone of discussions may also have
something to do with it. Guys
> > tend to seek victory in their participation, whether through "robust
argument", inflicting crushing
> > defeat on the opposition, or carefully structured arguments designed to
show futility of alternative
> > viewpoints. Not everyone considers this to be 'discussion', and some
will avoid participation in
> > what they perceive to be a gladiatorial pit.
> >
> > Just a thought :o)
> >
> >
> > Brendan Finn.
> > _______________________________________________________________________
> > Contact details are : e-mail : etts at indigo.ie tel : +353.87.2530286
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Kisan Mehta
> > To: Asia and the Pacific sustainable transport
> > Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2004 1:08 PM
> > Subject: [sustran] Re: We have a major problem here,and you can help to
set it right.
> >
> > Dear Eric and colleagues,
> >
> > Reason for less participation by females may be our networking becoming
too technical and too
> > location specific.Transportation has many more facesthan technical and
economic. Discussions
> > in the internet hover around these aspects.
> >
> > In our discussions we forget that social and psychological aspects are
more important.In the poor
> > countries the feeling of being alienated by resorting to high sounding
technological aspects makes
> > the common man and there women ignoring the issues. They become victims
of the tyranny of
> > technology and economics.
> >
> > Inthe male dominated government that, we have developed and are
voraciously guarding, all high
> > posts are occupied by men denying access to women.
> >
> > In the poor countries, in choosingthe modes of traffic for travel, it is
the man's preference that
> > gets higher priority. If stricken with no money, the money will be used
by the man for his choice of
> > mode of traffic while the woman is left to lower mode and somtimes to
walking. If the family is
> > taking the first car, it is normal to register in the man's name and he
is given solecharge though
> > the costs are debited to the family income.
> >
> > Participation, I am afraid, will most likely remain male dominated even
if all of us introducetwo
> > female potential participants. Can we change the focus to more social
aspect which in fact is the
> > base for transportation. Best wishes.
> >
> > Kisan Mehta
> > Rwel: 00 91 22 2414 9688
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: eric.britton at ecoplan.org
> > To: WorldTransport at yahoogroups.com
> > Cc: Sustran-discuss at jca.ax.apc.org
> > Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2004 9:37 PM
> > Subject: [sustran] We have a major problem here,and you can help to set
it right.
> >
> > Tuesday, August 10, 2004, Paris, France, Europe
> >
> > Dear Colleagues,
> >
> > We have a major problem here, and you can help to set it right.
> >
> > I have just inspected the listing of the hundreds of us who are sharing
our
> > information and thoughts on these matters of sustainable development and
> > sustainable mobility more specifically, and I note a dangerous anomaly.
We are
> > more than 90% male in this forum
> >
> > Is this a trivial fact of 21st century life? Unavoidable? Neither. In
fact, it has long
> > been my belief that one of the main reasons why we have failed over all
these years
> > to create better and softer mobility systems in our cities is that we
have de facto
> > turned over the job to taskforces almost entirely of men, and not only
that men who
> > went to college to learn how to move volumes fast and efficiently in
rather
> > undifferentiated ways. We have, I have to say, created an almost all
male
> > transportation paradigm.
> >
> > We need help and were lucky -- it is right at hand. So lets start with
this forum and
> > let me ask each of you to take the time to send me the names and emails
of at least
> > two capable female colleagues whom we can bring into our considerations
and
> > achieve the kind of balance which has been needed behind the wise
decision making
> > in our field for far too long.
> >
> > Incidentally, if we can find ways to tempt in people with backgrounds
that extend
> > beyond the usual limits of the traditionally dominant fields, and in
particular in such
> > areas as cultural anthropology, behavioral psychology, community
relations, and
> > public health, I think we would be able to make real progress. (Of
course we have to
> > make it interesting for them, but its my theory that once we open these
doors they
> > will figure out how to do this for themselves. And change us all in the
process.
> >
> > (I wonder how many of you are going to accept this challenge. ;-)
> >
> > Eric Britton
> >
> > The Commons: Increasing the uncomfort zone for hesitant administrators
and politicians;
> > pioneering new concepts for business, entrepreneurs, activists,
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> > government; and through our joint efforts, energy and personal choices,
placing them and ourselves
> > firmly on the path to a more sustainable and more just society.
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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