[sustran] Re: Cox & Litman V5 & Bruun

[Wendell Cox]

That would indeed be the case.

There is no place, from an urban development perspective, in the US that is
more unlike the US than NY. Has to do with population densities of 50k in
Manhattan (per sq mi), and nearly 2 million jobs in something like six
square miles of the business district.

Less than 300,000 of the US population of 250m in 1990 lived in densities
above 20k (outside NY). --- Outside NY living in more than 10k densities was
approx 11 million.

----- Original Message -----
From: Heckler <heckler at quickweb.com.ph>
To: Sustran Discuss <sustran-discuss at jca.ax.apc.org>
Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2000 8:40 AM
Subject: Re: Cox & Litman V5 & Bruun


> My fifteen kilometer commute to work takes me 45 minutes on my bike. It
> takes at least an hour by bus in light traffic and one-and-a-half in
normal
> rush hour traffic. They've also done this test in New York (that I heard
of
> when I lived there) and the bike commuter also won a door-to-door contest
> with the bus. Maybe New York is just like the rest of the world and only
the
> rest of North America is differently!
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Wendell Cox <wcox at publicpurpose.com>
> To: sustran-discuss at jca.ax.apc.org <sustran-discuss at jca.ax.apc.org>
> Date: Wednesday, February 23, 2000 8:49 PM
> Subject: [sustran] Re: Cox & Litman V5 & Bruun
>
>
>     Similar findings have been determined with respect to commuting in
> central London. The question is the extent to which this is the case. Not
> likely to be so virtually anywhere in North America or Oceania.
>
>
>         ----- Original Message -----
>         From: Francis PAPON
>         To: sustran-discuss at jca.ax.apc.org
>         Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2000 3:50 AM
>         Subject: Re: Cox & Litman V5 & Bruun
>
>
>
>         Well my commute in the suburbs of Paris is 55 min by bike. It
would
> be 1h35 by rail and 2 hours by bus (and uniformely distributed between 30
> min and 1h30 by car).
>         To be more general the average commercial speed of buses in Paris
is
> below 10 km/h, which, taking into account waiting times and longer routes
is
> often not faster than a brisk walk.
>         Survey data show that door to door speeds for actual bicycle trips
> in France are better than those for public transport trips for distances
up
> to 10 kilometres.
>
>
>
>         ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wendell Cox"
> <wcox at publicpurpose.com> To: 'sustran-discuss at jca.ax.apc.org' Sent: Mon,
21
> Feb 2000 19:57:52 -0600 PM Subject: Re: Cox & Litman V5 & Bruun
>         > In the US, Canada and Western Europe it is quite normal for a
bus
> or rail commute to take more than one-half hour over distances that could
> not be covered in a reasonable period by bicycle.
>         > ----- Original Message ----- From: <mailto:Jimmy.Tan at komag.com
> title=Jimmy.Tan at komag.com>Jimmy Tan To: 'sustran-discuss at jca.ax.apc.org'
> Sent: Monday, February 21, 2000 8:35 PM Subject: Re: Cox & Litman V5 &
Bruun
>         > I'm not sure about rail, but if in the cities or within the city
> itself if a bus takes more then half an hour to travel >from one point to
> another( or even within the city and it's suburbs) , it's usually stuck in
a
> traffic jam. Hence by using a bike, from my experience, uses fairly less
> time than buses or private vehicles(PVs).
>         >
>         > As for rails and there is slightly any excuse for frequently
delay
> that I would agree with you, Alok Jain.
>         >
>         >Pedal power Jimmy STEP
>         >
>         >
>         >-----Original Message----- From: Jain Alok [SMTP:ajain at kcrc.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2000 9:24 AM To:
> 'sustran-discuss at jca.ax.apc.org' Subject: [sustran] RE: Cox & Litman V5 &
> Bruun
>         >
>         >Yeah...but where your commute takes over half an hour by bus or
> rail, bike cannot substitute. In big cities, I would consider bike's role
> more as feeder to rail transit or other public transport, with some sort
of
> bike-sharing concept (to use at the destination end).
>         >
>         >Cheers Alok Jain
>         >
>         >-----Original Message----- From: Milnor H. Senior, III
> [mailto:msenior at uswest.net] Sent: February 22, 2000 5:43 AM To:
> sustran-discuss at jca.ax.apc.org Subject: Re: Cox & Litman V5 & Bruun
>         >
>         >In response to the comments made regarding the high cost of
transit
> products the issue is a combination of high capital costs to build these
> rail products plus the operating costs which will always exceed fare
> revenues so that constant operating subsidies are required. I believe the
> answer lies in building transit infrastructure which can be built at an
> affordable cost and operated on a profit making basis by private
enterprises
> so that no public subsidies are required. Please examine the web site
> www.biketrans.com to see an example of the type of transit infrastructure
> which can exceed the carrying capacity of highway lanes, most light rail
> systems and which offers higher speeds in congested urban areas. The
System
> is not only less expensive to build and operate than current transit
> products but the real savings will come from the improvement in public
> health which will result from building exercise back into normal life
> activities. With cardiovascular disease as the number one cause of death
in
> the US and with obesity increasing at an alarming rate it is time to
> consider making changes that benefit both human health and the environment
> while lowering transportation costs. Bicycling is the most efficient form
of
> transportation known and expanding its use within our transportation
system
> should be used to solve urban congestion problems. Sincerely, Milnor H.
> Senior, III President - Bicycle Transportation Systems, Inc.
>
>
>         Francis Papon, chargé de recherche mailto:francis.papon at inrets.fr
>         INRETS/DEST/EEM, fax +33145475606
>         2, av. du Général Malleret-Joinville, F-94114 Arcueil France
>         http://www.inrets.fr/infos/centres/inrets/velo_arcueil.html
>
>
>