Cox & Litman V5 & Bruun

[Heckler]

My fifteen kilometer commute to work takes me 45 minutes on my bike. It
takes at least an hour by bus in light traffic and one-and-a-half in normal
rush hour traffic. They've also done this test in New York (that I heard of
when I lived there) and the bike commuter also won a door-to-door contest
with the bus. Maybe New York is just like the rest of the world and only the
rest of North America is differently!

-----Original Message-----
From: Wendell Cox <wcox at publicpurpose.com>
To: sustran-discuss at jca.ax.apc.org <sustran-discuss at jca.ax.apc.org>
Date: Wednesday, February 23, 2000 8:49 PM
Subject: [sustran] Re: Cox & Litman V5 & Bruun


    Similar findings have been determined with respect to commuting in
central London. The question is the extent to which this is the case. Not
likely to be so virtually anywhere in North America or Oceania.


        ----- Original Message -----
        From: Francis PAPON
        To: sustran-discuss at jca.ax.apc.org
        Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2000 3:50 AM
        Subject: Re: Cox & Litman V5 & Bruun



        Well my commute in the suburbs of Paris is 55 min by bike. It would
be 1h35 by rail and 2 hours by bus (and uniformely distributed between 30
min and 1h30 by car).
        To be more general the average commercial speed of buses in Paris is
below 10 km/h, which, taking into account waiting times and longer routes is
often not faster than a brisk walk.
        Survey data show that door to door speeds for actual bicycle trips
in France are better than those for public transport trips for distances up
to 10 kilometres.



        ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wendell Cox"
<wcox at publicpurpose.com> To: 'sustran-discuss at jca.ax.apc.org' Sent: Mon, 21
Feb 2000 19:57:52 -0600 PM Subject: Re: Cox & Litman V5 & Bruun
        > In the US, Canada and Western Europe it is quite normal for a bus
or rail commute to take more than one-half hour over distances that could
not be covered in a reasonable period by bicycle.
        > ----- Original Message ----- From: <mailto:Jimmy.Tan at komag.com
title=Jimmy.Tan at komag.com>Jimmy Tan To: 'sustran-discuss at jca.ax.apc.org'
Sent: Monday, February 21, 2000 8:35 PM Subject: Re: Cox & Litman V5 & Bruun
        > I'm not sure about rail, but if in the cities or within the city
itself if a bus takes more then half an hour to travel >from one point to
another( or even within the city and it's suburbs) , it's usually stuck in a
traffic jam. Hence by using a bike, from my experience, uses fairly less
time than buses or private vehicles(PVs).
        >
        > As for rails and there is slightly any excuse for frequently delay
that I would agree with you, Alok Jain.
        >
        >Pedal power Jimmy STEP
        >
        >
        >-----Original Message----- From: Jain Alok [SMTP:ajain at kcrc.com]
Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2000 9:24 AM To:
'sustran-discuss at jca.ax.apc.org' Subject: [sustran] RE: Cox & Litman V5 &
Bruun
        >
        >Yeah...but where your commute takes over half an hour by bus or
rail, bike cannot substitute. In big cities, I would consider bike's role
more as feeder to rail transit or other public transport, with some sort of
bike-sharing concept (to use at the destination end).
        >
        >Cheers Alok Jain
        >
        >-----Original Message----- From: Milnor H. Senior, III
[mailto:msenior at uswest.net] Sent: February 22, 2000 5:43 AM To:
sustran-discuss at jca.ax.apc.org Subject: Re: Cox & Litman V5 & Bruun
        >
        >In response to the comments made regarding the high cost of transit
products the issue is a combination of high capital costs to build these
rail products plus the operating costs which will always exceed fare
revenues so that constant operating subsidies are required. I believe the
answer lies in building transit infrastructure which can be built at an
affordable cost and operated on a profit making basis by private enterprises
so that no public subsidies are required. Please examine the web site
www.biketrans.com to see an example of the type of transit infrastructure
which can exceed the carrying capacity of highway lanes, most light rail
systems and which offers higher speeds in congested urban areas. The System
is not only less expensive to build and operate than current transit
products but the real savings will come from the improvement in public
health which will result from building exercise back into normal life
activities. With cardiovascular disease as the number one cause of death in
the US and with obesity increasing at an alarming rate it is time to
consider making changes that benefit both human health and the environment
while lowering transportation costs. Bicycling is the most efficient form of
transportation known and expanding its use within our transportation system
should be used to solve urban congestion problems. Sincerely, Milnor H.
Senior, III President - Bicycle Transportation Systems, Inc.


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